The initiative ran from 2008-14 and a new panel (overseeing the award of grants from a similar intiative for the Carrington Street area) visited to learn what can be done, and done well.
TO BE WRITTEN UP.
Broadmarsh car park and bus station was the main item.
The car park does now need to be re-done, and for some time of course, the expectation was that it would be demolished. Difficult to re-decorate a sixties concrete car park, and the use of corporate greens and greys in the proposed design is bold. The use of glass fins creates the impression of a solid wall from an angle whilst retaining gaps for light and air. A significant concern is ensuring proper access to the bus station, and to neighbouring streets from those who’ll use four new (mainly NCT) bus stands for Canal Street.
The latest version of the Local Plan and its progress through public consultation was considered. Lots of points were raised at Area 8 committee only a week before, but all that consultation and it can be trumped by things like free schools being given free reign, such as off Riverside Way in The Meadows.
Wondering where the sudden leap in visits to this web-site was coming from – of course – it’s skyscrapers.com. I should have guessed earlier.
4660 posts on a thread on the Broadmarsh renewal that goes back to 2007. Respect.
Seems many of their readers will not be pleased with the news that planning permission has been granted, but there’s a range of points to make:
a) a previous GBP750m scheme envisaged something like the biggest shopping precinct in Europe (I need to double-check the hyperbole – but it was huge); and it didn’t happen;
b) there is a change in the mix, with a new cinema with co-existing restaurants a new and significant feature; and previous reports show there is a demand to be met;
c) despite some remarks, there is an intent to deliver this scheme, and in 2018;
d) the Planning committee has to assess what is presented with, and the planning guidance is becoming even more pro-developer.
The elements of the scheme, some of which were celebrated at the committee, are –
1. a lighter brighter wider passage from Collin Street to Listergate;
2. a new entrance from Middle Hill that will most probably serve a future tram stop and a new tertiary college campus; with a dramatic cinema complex running around Collin Street;
3. a new Drury Walk, on the old line of Drury Hill, acting as an extension to the successful Bridlesmith Gate, with new shops that evoke that street’s architecture.
The risks of the new design were understood by officers and Councillors –
1. despite being enclosed and keeping the overhead services bridge, the glazing and light has been increased and the shop fronts will have outdoor material frontages; we need to check how doors and entrances will actually work;
2. the new entrance was moved south and external materials and overall profiles re-visited;
3. the notion of the Drury Walk being pastiche was checked and the designs refined; not sure the etched concrete feature couldn’t be improved.
The broader problems that remain are –
i) it’s hard to bring pedestrianisation of Collin Street, the new tram stop and the new college campus at the same time as the centre renewal, and some of the centre re-design might be different once Collin Street is made car-free;
ii) once there is no new second access into the centre (opposite the car park), the “wall” that is such a challenge to Nottingham remains; worse the length of the cinema puts the emphasis on Collin Street activity to introduce the features that might break the “wall” up;
iii) we’d like the Arndale car park to not be something that blocks the view of the Castle; bill – GBP35m? and who’d pay?
iv) Collin Street may well become a 300m by 22m public space, although the planned renewal of the Broadmarsh car park should only help.
I hope this helps Skyscraper readers.
Finally, I was concerned that whilst other streets between the railway station and Old Market Square are 18m or so wide (Carrington Street, Listergate, Albert Street, Wheelergate), the link between Listergate Square and Collin Street is 9 metres wide (the same as Broad Walk) and asked for it to be wider to support the flow of pedestrians and others; but I lost.
Previous reading available.
Some strong criticisms coming my way in advance of the Planning commmittee meeting to review Intu’s planning application for a renewal of the Broadmarsh shopping centre.
Because, as the correspondent shows, it does not seek to meet the vision once sought, of a wide avenue running from Carrington Street, across Collin Street, through Listergate and Albert Street before Wheelergate and then Old Market Square (ref. 2002 development brief).
Not an open street, instead enclosed and with a road services bridge still running over it.
And still a long wall along Collin Street.
The history of the planning application can be found on the council web-site – http://committee.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=249&MId=4883
and the planning application can be found at –
using the search code –
The report rebuts some of the criticisms made in the tweets featured, but you have to dig to find the graphics that show the significant changes to Collin Street and to Middle Hill in particular.
The cost of the development is (from memory) one-fifth of the original cost, although the future ambition for the Victoria Centre has increased.
The development is debated on the Nottingham Post web-site – http://www.nottinghampost.com/Redevelopment-plans-Broadmarsh-green-light-week/story-26672237-detail/story.html
Opinions on the application should at this late stage be e-mailed to – firstname.lastname@example.org
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A presentation to city council staff by Phil Jones and Ben Bailie explaining how the traditional approach to traffic and other road users of separating them can be better approached by looking at how streets and street space can be shared, often by requiring traffic to move more slowly.
Examples were shown. Poynton in Cheshire, Brighton, Ashford, Bexleyheath, even Berne.
And clearly in the case of Poynton, it’s solved a major problem.
And yet, broadly speaking, has sustained the volumes of traffic, by removing road width, railings and signals, designing a solution that requires slower traffic speed cos drivers of vehicles have to think about other road users, but not about overtaking or changing lane.
We’ve seen it in Nottingham on Mansfield Road some years ago where bus lanes reduced average traffic speed to 19 mph, which actually allowed the volume of traffic to be sustained.
The approach doesn’t say get rid of highways, but does illustrate the difference between highways and shared space –
Highways – regulated, impersonal, linear, single purpose, consistent, predictable, systematic, state controlled, signs and markings;
Shared space – culturally defined, personal, spatial, multi-purpose, constantly changing, unpredictable, contextual, cultural and social rules, negotiation and anticipation.
The obvious challenges to shared space – beyond criticism by groups representing the disabled – is the cost of materials and the fresh challenges that narrow streets carrying high volumes of mass transport will bring. Important too to watch out for how streets look at night and how challenges that anti-social behaviour can bring or has brought. And fundamentally – in whose interest is street re-design being made – people or property developers? (And the interests can be different.)
But it’s great to see Nottingham looking to the success of these schemes elsewhere and looking to learn from others.
Nottingham City Council is spending £77,000 on checking out the foundations, utilities and structural soundness of the car park before moving on to a further stage of considering how we update its appearance.
Cos we need it to look better if it is to support a renewed Broadmarsh shopping centre and a pedestrianised Collin Street – 300m by 22m of new public space.
Notts TV ran a story and found a shop worker depressed by having to work near it, a man who thought it had been an eye sore for 40 years and needed to be brought down and a shopper who agreed it needed a new look.
We can’t justify demolition. It’s as functional inside as it can be, and we have got lots of others things that need big capital investment throughout the city.
So lots to consider.